VP 48 1959 Deployment (Part 4 of 6) Guam to Japan

The weather was good as we left Guam and headed for the Naval Air Station at Iwakuni, Japan. There was nothing to look at but a lot of the western Pacific,  and we were anticipating a long and boring day. We were just a few hours out when one of the pilots announced over the intercom that we were approaching Iwo Jima.  I had no idea our officers had plotted a course that would take us to this infamous battlefield. Iwo Jima is 814 miles from Guam and it’s another 750 miles to Japan. The Battle of Iwo Jima was one of the fiercest battles of WWII. Over 1,100 U.S. Marines died there and more than 4,000 were wounded. One of the most famous photos of WWII is of the Marines raising the flag atop Mt. Suribachi. Mt. Suribachi is an extinct volcano that rises 554 feet above sea level and dominates the island. It’s a big, black, ugly rock. The Battle of Iwo Jimo was fought from February 19 to March 26, 1945. I was only eight years old, but I remember the news reports. We got war stories from the radio, the newspapers, and the newsreels at the theater. If you are a younger reader, here is a bridge to get you back in the time period. Future actor, Lee Marvin, a 20-year-old marine, was wounded at Iwo Jima. Another young marine in the same Company was Bob Keasham. He was later known as Captain Kangaroo.

The flight was smooth, and we made good time. After we landed at Iwakuni, we attached our wheels and were pulled up the ramp. We were more than a month late, so it was no wonder that the whole squadron was there to greet us. As we lined up at the hatch to disembark, cans of beer were handed to us. When it was my turn, I started down the ladder. Suddenly, a bunch of hands grabbed me and jerked me off the ladder. Then, I was carried to the sea wall and thrown in the water. As I was being dragged onto the ramp, I noticed that none of my fellow crew members had been dunked.  I wanted to know what was going on. It turned out the results of the ratings exams had been posted, and I had made Third Class. I was an Aviation Electronics Technician Third Class, AT3. Hooray! More money!

NAS  Iwakuni was an okay base. There was a good library and a good gym, and that’s where I spent most of my off-duty time. Trying to save money, I allowed myself one ten-cent glass of beer each week at the Enlisted Men’s Club. I was smoking Pall Mall cigarettes as they were longer and could be cut in two, thus providing two smokes for the price of one.

This was the time of the Cold War, and our squadron’s job was to fly patrols in the South China Sea and monitor shipping. Our route took us past the southern tip of Korea and past the coast of China. We took pictures of all ships and identified them by name and/or number. We also recorded all vital info such as deck cargo and people in view.

 One day, we had reached the northern-most point of our trek, and had done a 180 and were headed back south. After some period of time, one of the pilots came over the intercom saying, “We’ve got company!” I looked out my window and there was a Russian MIG with a Chinese pilot. He was having trouble slowing down enough to match our speed and had his flaps down and dive brakes down. He was flying just off our port wing and smiling as he stared at us. He could have potted us, and no one would have ever known the difference.

Another time,  we had to do a four-hour training hop so that one of the newer pilots could get in some time at the controls. The pilot elected to check out the city of Hiroshima. Some of the city had been rebuilt, but it still looked terrible. The results of the atom bomb were evident. The place had been burned to a crisp.

One  morning, the squadron notified us that a typhoon was heading for Iwakuni. All planes were directed to get airborne and head for Sangley Point in the Philippines. We got in the air, but after a couple of hours, lost an engine. That’s another story.

Dave Thomas

5/30/2024

VP48 1959 Deployment (Part 3 of 6) Midway to Guam

We left Midway and headed for Guam. It was a nice day, and the ocean was blue and serene looking. It was mostly an uneventful day. I only remember that an engine gauge malfunctioned and would have to be replaced when we got to Guam.

Arriving at Guam, we were instructed to land at Apra Harbor. It was a quiet harbor with no traffic, and we were directed to a Coast Guard station that was equipped with wheels and a seaplane ramp so we could be beached. The ground crew towed the wheels to us, and we mounted them and were towed up the ramp by a big tractor-like vehicle called a Buddha. After the aircraft was secured, we were driven a few miles to NAS Agana where we checked in at the barracks.

We were told it would take several days to get a replacement gauge shipped over from the states. I think we spent a week or so on Guam while waiting. Most of our time was spent at Apra Harbor. There was some snorkel gear at the facility that we made good use of. The water was clear and not too deep, and the bottom was beautiful. It looked live every square inch was covered by some type of plant or sea life. It was like looking at one of those beautiful tropical aquariums. Tropical fish were everywhere. One of the guys even speared an Octopus. He took it into town and traded it for a case of beer.

One day I went to the PX to get some items. As I moved with the crowd toward the entrance door, I almost bumped into an officer, an ensign, who was coming out. I did a doubletake when I realized that it was Dick Stephenson, a classmate from my hometown, Augusta, Kansas. We talked for a few minutes, and each of us was quite surprised at seeing the other.

I just remembered a story that makes me chuckle. The day after we arrived at Agana, we wanted to go back to Apra Harbor and do some housekeeping chores. The whole crew went to the main gate to the office of the Officer of the Day (O.O.D.). Lt. Surovik told the O.O.D. that we needed a vehicle assigned to us so we could work on our airplane at Apra Harbor. The O.O.D. (also a Lt) said we could call for a ride when needed. Lt. Surovik said we didn’t want to wait half an hour every time we wanted to go somewhere. The O.O.D. said he was sorry, but that’s the way it was. Lt. Surovik insisted. The O.O.D. said no. Both raised their voices and started getting red in the face. If I remember correctly, Lt. Surovik was 6 feet 5 inches and could appear to be a very menacing guy. Surovik said something like, “I’m a senior officer, and I need a car.” The O.O.D. said, “We’ll see who is a senior. What’s your service number?” They both grabbed for their wallets and pulled out their I.D. cards. Lt. Surovik had the lowest service number, so, therefore, was the senior officer. The O.O.D. reluctantly agreed to assign a vehicle. No one in the crew had ever been assigned a Navy driver’s license. They figured I was the least likely to get drunk and drive, so I was issued a license on the spot. The yeoman that typed the license must have been a little upset over the yelling as he typed my height as 6 feet 11 inches.  I kept the license for years just because of that.

We had a pleasant stay on Guam. I don’t remember for sure, but we must have been there a week or ten days before heading for NAS Iwakuni, Japan.

Dave Thomas

5/23/2024

More Crow Stuff

Pat was on her way to the grocery store. When she backed out of the garage, there were two crows circling the driveway. One was the bird with the mangled foot, and she figured the other one was the Talker. They flew ahead of her for a block and a half. They flew ahead of her for a block and a half. When she stopped at a stop sign, they flew a big circle, did a flyby on the car, squawking at her all the while, and then flew away. They had  just been providing a friendly  escort.

Pat went out to check the crow’s water and discovered that one of the crows had left her a gift. It was a cleanly cut 10” branch. It looked like one of the neighbors had been pruning, and a crow had selected the nice cut-off for Pat.

One time, Pat went to Costco. When she got out of the car a crow was circling overhead and talking to her. There were other people in the parking lot, but no crows were talking to them.  Was this one of Pat’s crows that followed her from home? Or, have Pat’s crows been telling the rest of the crow world that she is a nice lady, and they should have a word with her?

Meanwhile, the crow with the mangled foot shows up and flies past the window several times. Pat sees the crow but is busy and doesn’t go out.  The crow gets up on the stoop and peeks   in the side window of the front door. After a bit, Pat goes out and scatters some bread and English Walnuts. As she watches, each crow picks up an English walnut and dunks it in the water bowl. I don’t know if this has to do with cleanliness or it makes them easier to swallow.

To eat an English walnut, a crow holds it down with it’s foot and then pecks at it. There are always some small crumbs the crows can’t get. Not to worry, as a clean up crew is on the job. There are two sparrows that come in and clean up the nut crumbs and breadcrumbs. The sparrows get there right after the crows arrive. I don’t know what alerts them. Do the understand crow talk, or do they just watch for the crows? The crows and the sparrows get along, so everything is fine.

Dave Thomas

5/23/2024              

The Gooney Birds of Midway Island (Repost)

I was an aircrewman in seaplane squadron VP 48 (Patrol Squadron Forty-Eight). As the time approached for our deployment to Iwakuni, Japan, story-telling in regard to the flight across the Pacific increased. Our seaplanes had reciprocal engines and due to their range, the trip meant that we would be island-hopping across the ocean. We would first fly from San Diego to San Francisco. Then, we would go to Hawaii, Kwajalein, Midway, Guam, and Iwakuni. From San Francisco on, they were all 10 to 12 hour flights.

vp48p5m_01_10may2002

Martin Marlin P5M-2

Some of the most interesting stories we heard, and certainly the funniest, were about the Gooney birds of Midway Island. A Gooney bird is an albatross with a 7 foot wing span that looks beautiful and graceful in the air but is so clumsy it looks like a clown when taking off or landing.

We got to San Francisco okay, spent the night, and then on to Hawaii for the next night. The 3rd day we got to Kwajalein with no problem. We got up the next morning on Kwaj and it had been raining and the sky was ugly. After breakfast, we went down to the pier and took a boat out to our plane which was tied to a buoy in the harbor. After filling up with gas and lunch supplies (and coffee, of course) we hung the JATO bottles (jet assisted take-off). With a full load of gas and rough seas we would need some help getting in the air. There was a coral reef that formed the outer edge of the harbor so that pretty much defined the limit of our take-off run. The sea was a little choppy but the pilots thought we could get off alright. The pilot increased the power and we started our run down the sea lane. The choppy seas were beating the devil out of us but we got up to speed and they fired the first pair of JATO bottles. This was supposed to put us up on the “step” where we were planing just as you do in a motor boat when your speed is sufficient to cause you to ride on the crest of the waves. Normally, that first pair of JATO bottles gets you up on the step and then, when you have enough speed, you fire the second pair of bottles to lift off.

The pilot fired the 2nd pair of bottles in an effort to get up on the step but it didn’t help. We didn’t have enough speed to fly but we were sure closing on that coral reef at a pretty good rate. Our pilot stayed with it as long as he could but had to give up and pull the power off and abort. We taxied back toward the pier and tied up to a buoy and waited for the boat to bring us four more JATO bottles. The pilot, co-pilot, and navigator had all been watching the wind and the currents as we made our first attempt at taking off and after discussing it, decided that with a slight change in heading we could get enough lift to get off all right. We hung the new JATO bottles taxied back out into the sea lane and this time, got into the air and headed for Midway.

In the middle of the day, we passed the half-way point, the “point of no return”, and Kwajalein Air Control had handed us off to Midway Air Control. We were at 10,000 feet and probably doing 140 knots, and as far as you could see in any direction there was nothing but the beautiful blue Pacific. All of a sudden, the starboard engine belched out some smoke and started making some weird noises. The pilots shut down the engine and feathered the prop as the navigator checked his numbers and calculated our position. As the rest of the crew went to their emergency positions, I fired up the radar and took a couple of sweeps with the antenna. I could see for about 120 miles and there wasn’t a ship in sight. Meanwhile, the pilot had sent a Mayday call and was now talking to Midway Air Control. The pilot gave our current position, heading, airspeed, altitude, and all that stuff. Midway acknowledged and said that they were launching a Grumman UF-1 Search and Rescue plane that will meet us and accompany us to Midway. The Grumman is a smaller seaplane than our Martin P5M but if we went down they could drop us additional life rafts or supplies. For them to make an open-sea landing was not a practical idea.

Grumman_UF-1_Albatross_USN_in_flight_1950s

Grumman UF-1 Albatross

The pilot gave the word to jettison some of the on-board equipment that we could do without and the crew heaved it out the port hatch. The next thing to go would have been our clothing and personal gear but fortunately it didn’t come to that.

It seemed like it took forever for the Grumman to meet up with us. Our navigator figured out what time I should be able to spot him on radar and sure enough…there he was. When he was close enough to eyeball, we were thrilled! The flight on in to Midway was without incident and we made a smooth single-engine landing.

Midway Island had been a waypoint for seaplanes for many years. There was a large concrete ramp extending into the water for launching and recovering the flying boats. They had and maintained several sets of wheels also. The P5M didn’t have landing gear or wheels. The wheels were designed with floats and at the time of recovery were towed by a boat out to the airplanes and attached by a simple pin and clamp device. Then, a cable was attached to the tail at the keel position and the plane was towed up the ramp backwards by a heavy tractor-like piece of equipment known as a Buddha.

We went through the recovery process and after being towed up the ramp our plane was parked on the apron nearby. We were finally in Gooney Bird Land and surrounded by hundreds or thousands of the creatures.

Gooney Bird Landing

Albatross/Gooney Bird About To Make A Crash Landing

(notice the look of terror on its face)

We were on Midway Island almost a month. Most of that time was spent waiting for the new engine and some associated parts that turned out to be faulty. Most of those days waiting for parts were spent either swimming or sitting in the shade of our plane’s wing and watching the gooney birds. They were so graceful once airborne but looked so ridiculous when taking off or landing. Naturally, they walked or ran like a duck, all spraddle-legged and freaky looking. They had to run several yards before getting enough speed and lift to get into the air. After watching them, we decided that the most successful take-offs were those where the bird making the take-off run, ran across a bump or hill or berm that caused enough of an up-draft to give them the lift needed to get airborne.

Landings were really a challenge. Every square foot of ground had a bird sitting on it so there was no clear “runway”. And, the birds always came in too fast. You just knew that any attempt to run on those ugly little feet wasn’t going to work. But, they would come swooping down, lower those feet, and start stepping on the heads of every bird in their path. This went on for several feet until they finally stumbled and crashed.

There were a few birds that could make a decent landing and we didn’t know if they were smarter or just lucky. The birds acted much like an airplane making a landing on a short runway. As they made their approach, they would pull their hose up and into a full stall and then take the power off slowly and settle to the ground. Beating the wings slowly allowed them to control the descent. I’m supplying a link to a video that shows one bird making a good landing as I have just described.

Words can’t do justice to the actions of the gooney birds. Watch the video that I’m providing the link for. There’s a lot of funny stuff on the Internet. Do a search on “Gooney Birds of Midway Island, Gooney Bird take-offs, Gooney Bird landings, etc.” and the results will give you some good laughs.

http://bgamall.hubpages.com/hub/Albatross-Gooney-Bird-Humor

Dave Thomas
October 24, 2014

 

VP48 1959 Deployment- Kwajalein to Midway (Part 2 of 6)

VP48 1959 Deployment- Kwajalein to Midway (Part 2 of 6)

I should have introduced the crew already so I can refer to them by name:

Lt. George Surovik- Pilot- Plane Commander

LTJG Al Bell- Copilot

LTJG Jay Dow- Navigator

Don Crocker AD2- Plane Captain

Ed Doering, AM2-

Jim Dollar, AT2

Ken Largent AD3

Marlyn Nelson AE3

John Reid-Green, AN AT Striker

Lucious Smith, AO3

Dave Thomas A18, AT Striker

After we finally got airborne and left Kwajalein, it looked like an easy ride to Midway Island. We were flying at 10,000 feet, which is about the limit for being comfortable without an oxygen mask. The ocean was blue and pretty for as far as you could see. All we flight crew members had to do was drink coffee and try to keep from being bored. After a few hours, we reached the point of no return. That’s the place where you no longer have enough gas to turn around and get back to where you started. Not long after this, one of our engines died. If I remember correctly, it was the starboard engine. The pilots, Surovik and Bell, feathered the prop and started trimming up for single engine flight. Lt. Surovik was also calling ahead to Midway with a Mayday call. As the radar operator, I was ordered to fire it up and see if there were any nearby ships. I could see ahead for about 120 miles, and there wasn’t a blip in sight. Midway Control told Lt. Surovik they were dispatching a Coast Guard seaplane to escort us in. LTJG Dow was computing the fuel situation at the new rate of burn and also doing some figuring to determine when and where we might be intercepted by the escort.

In a few minutes, an order was given to the crew to jettison the non-essential gear that was stowed aft. We were told that if more weight reduction was required, or personal gear was next.

For the next few hours, we just hummed along and wondered where the escort was and if he would be paddling a lifeboat before we saw it. Fortunately, it was just a slow and boring ride until the escort plane arrived and escorted us in to Midway.

Midway was equipped to beach seaplanes. They had the wheels with floats and a seaplane ramp to pull us up. After landing and being brought ashore, we checked in at the barracks. I remember that the lockers had light bulbs in the bottom to keep your clothing dry and to fight the humidity.

We would be on Midway about a month while we waited for a new engine to be shipped from the states. We removed the bad engine from the plane and got it ready for the replacement. After that, we spent most of our time sitting in the shade under the wing of our plane and watching the gooney birds. There were thousands of them and every square foot of beach was taken. These albatrosses had a six or seven foot wingspan and looked beautiful in the air. But, when they came down, it was always a crash landing, and they often collided with each other on the ground.

If you want to hear more about the gooney birds, there is a story in this blog entitled “The Gooney Birds of Midway Island.”

Dave Thomas

5/16/2024

VP48 1959 Deployment (Hawaii and Kwajalein Atoll)

I saw a news piece on TV about a locally based Navy ship being deployed to the Western Pacific. It made me think of my own deployment in 1959. My first thought was that it was 65 years ago. That’s a long time ago. I would be away from home for six months, and I felt pretty guilty about it. I would be leaving my wife, Pat, by herself to care for our 6-month-old twin boys. It was tough enough for both of us to keep up with the feedings, changing diapers, washing diapers, and all the other stuff. I was still a lowly Airman (E-8), so money was tight, too.

Personal issues aside, I have to admit that I was looking forward to seeing places that we heard about daily as we grew up during WWII. I’m referring to Pearl Harbor, Kwajalein, Midway, Guam, and Japan. It turned out that I also laid eyes on Iwo Jima, Hiroshima, Okinawa, South Korea, and China. I’ll try to tell you of what little I know about each.

After boot camp at Great Lakes, Illinois, and Aviation Prep School at Norman, Oklahoma, I attended Aviation Electronics “A” School of Millington, Tennessee, just outside of Memphis. I was one of the top 5 in my class, so I was allowed to pick my next duty station. Pat and I both wanted to live in California, so I picked San Diego (and we have been here since).

I was attached to Patrol Squadron Forty-Eight, VP 48, at Naval Air Station, North Island in Coronado, California. It’s located just across the bay from San Diego. VP48 was a sea plane squadron, flying the P5M-1 Martin Mariner. It was a twin-engine aircraft normally carrying a crew of eleven. The P5M didn’t have landing gear. Large wheels with floats attached were in place so the planes could be towed on land. These wheels were detached after entering the water and re-attached to come ashore.

We left San Diego one day in April, 1959, and flew to San Francisco. I think it was the next day that we flew on to Hawaii. Coming into Oahu, we got to see Pearl Harbor Battleship Row and the final resting place of the Arizona. The memorial for the Arizona hadn’t been built yet, but there was a temporary structure in place. We bunked at a barracks on the Pearl Harbor base and ate at their chow hall while there.

From Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, we headed for Kwajalein Atoll. The atoll is a 6.9 square mile speck in a very large Pacific Ocean. As I recall, there is a coral reef several hundred yards out that partially encircles the atoll. After several hours of flying time, we landed and went ashore for the night. After breakfast the next morning, we went outside to be greeted by a cloudy sky and a wind. Due to our heavy gas load and the local conditions, we were scheduled for a JATO (Jet Assisted Take Off) take off. The JATO bottles were no larger than an ice chest and were hung on the rear hatches of the seaplane.

Let’s digress for a moment, and I’ll tell you what I remember about JATO. It stands for Jet Assisted Take Off. Our P5M sea planes had hatches (personnel doors) on each side at the rear of the planes. Two metal JATO containers (we called them bottles) were hung on each side at the rear of the plane. (You can look up “JATO bottles” on the internet to see pictures and the specs for them.) The JATO bottles were fired (ignited) two at a time. A bottle on the port side and a bottle on the starboard side were fired at the same time. Two firings would get you airborne. To make the take off run, the pilot would advance the engine RPM’s to the proper setting to get the plane under way. When the plane got to the proper speed, the first pair of the JATO bottles were fired. If the sea and the wind were right, the plane would lift and be running “on the step” or planning at the top of the waves. When the proper speed was reached, the second pair of JATO bottles would be fired and lift off would occur, and you became airborne. The JATO bottles just burned for a few seconds, and after that second pair shut off and you were airborne, a crewman jettisoned all four bottles. This was done by simply moving a leer on the inside of the hatches.

Now, back to the story. As I mentioned, it was a dark and cloudy day, and the sea looked pretty choppy. We loaded up, and the pilot started the engines and warmed them up as we taxied out into the harbor. We got into position, and the pilot pushed the throttles forward and started the take off run. We got up some speed, and he fired the first pair of JATO bottles. Nothing much happened. He couldn’t get enough lift to get on the step. We are scooting through the waves, and that coral reef is coming up quickly. The pilot tried to get up, but finally had to abort. We taxied back to the dock and replaced the JATO bottles. The pilot had a better feel for the conditions, so a second try was successful, and we got into the air.

We were headed for Midway.

Dave Thomas

5/9/2024

Cinco de Mayo (re-sharing)

It’s almost May and Pat reminded me that we have a Cinco de Mayo story. This took place in the mid-1990’s. I’m a diabetic and sometime in 1993, I got a diabetic ulcer on the bottom of my right foot. My doctors fought it for a year and a half and couldn’t get it to heal. Finally, it was decided to amputate the right leg below the knee. This was done and I got a prosthesis and life got back to normal. The following spring, I wasn’t paying attention and the prosthesis rubbed against the side of my knee and caused a sore that immediately became infected. This had happened before and it meant anti-biotics, at least 2 doctor visits, and 6 weeks in the wheel chair without my leg.

So anyhow, I’m riding my wheel chair and here it is…Cinco de Mayo. Pat and I decided we should join in the festivities by having lunch at Casa de Pico, our favorite Mexican restaurant in Old Town San Diego. We got there and the place was as colorful and beautiful as always. We sat on the patio to take advantage of the warm, sunny day and to hear the music and listen to the chatter and the laughter of the other patrons. Pat ordered a blended margarita in the big glass with the salt on the rim and, being diabetic, I ordered coffee.

As we waited to be served, we talked and admired the holiday decorations. There were some miniature Mexican flags on the tables so Pat took a couple and attached them to the handlebars of my wheel chair. We enjoyed our meal and left the restaurant and then headed for the side gate to leave the area. Getting through the wrought iron gate we needed to go about 50 yards down the side street to the parking lot. Pat was pushing me in the wheel chair and I was teasing and smart-mouthing her about drinking the margarita and maybe being too tipsy to push me. She countered by pushing faster to show that she could handle the job. I was having a heck of a good time and started yelling “faster, faster”. Pat was up to the challenge and in a few seconds was up to full speed. We were flying down the street with Mexican flags flying and Pat sprinting for dear life. We were looking good until we hit the pot-hole. Wham! Pat ran into the back of the wheel chair and I was dumped into the street. Yow, this is gonna’ hurt! Maybe next time I’ll keep my mouth shut.

Dave Thomas
April17, 2016

Follow the Food

Spring is here. The canyons are greening up. The wildflowers are blooming. The birds, bugs, and small animals have plenty of food again. The sad part of it is that the crows have found a new food source and aren’t coming around every day. Some of the crows have found  a new friend in Pat and will still be coming to visit her. She speaks in a soft and caring voice, and they listen carefully until it is their turn. Also, when Terri comes over or Pat is returning from the store, the crows spot them and follow them to our house. When they get out of the car, the crows do a fly-by and then circle them in a greeting. Sometimes, we don’t see the crows for a few days, and they don’t always eat. The two crows that still show up the most are the guy with the mangled foot and The Talker. I’ll give you an account of how a recent visit went.

This morning Pat went outside and gave the food call and scattered the food in the driveway. No crows showed up. Pat went back in the house and then decided on the laundry she had going in the garage. We keep a remote garage door clicker in the living room as it is faster to go out the front door and into the garage then it is to go to the back of the house and into the garage. The crows know the sound of our garage door opening, and always respond by flying past and looking in. The crows saw Pat and immediately peeled off and flew to the top of the liquid amber tree next door. Pat realized that this was The Talker as it always likes to do its talking from the top of the tree.  Pat walked out onto the drive, and, immediately, the crow with the mangled foot came swooping in and landed in front of Pat. It walked up to about four feet in front of her, bobbing its head in greeting. Pat starts talking. “How are you? I was so worried because I hadn’t seen you for four days. I guess you found a new source of food, and that’s fine. I miss you guys a lot and am thankful you are visiting this morning.” The crow cocks his head and listens as it walks back and forth in front of her. Meanwhile, The Talker sees that Pat is talking to the mangled foot guy and gets all excited. It starts hopping around on the branch it is standing on and talking up a blue streak. The conversation goes on for a while. Neither bird shows any interest in the food. After a few minutes, Pat goes into the house, and the birds fly away. It was just a visit to let Pat know that they were okay and to find out if she was the same.

Dave Thomas

5/2/2024